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Your claim is false. Not worth repeating. You obviously subscribe to this game show winner-take-all mentality that Trump advertises everywhere. I personally think it's childish but Trump has made it presidential.
So why were they all in favour of border security/wall until Trump took over. If you think this is about anything other than not letting Trump win then you are dumber than I thought. At least try to be honest.


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Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:02 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:57 pm
Your claim is false. Not worth repeating. You obviously subscribe to this game show winner-take-all mentality that Trump advertises everywhere. I personally think it's childish but Trump has made it presidential.
So why were they all in favour of border security/wall until Trump took over. If you think this is about anything other than not letting Trump win then you are dumber than I thought. At least try to be honest.
Hahahaha, so you mean like the instance of republicans rejecting the concept of "individual mandate" which they originally created as a conservative interpretation on healthcare. We know their plan was tied to the sole purpose of achieving Mitch McConnell's publicly proposed goal of making Obama a one-term president.
In this case however, the democrats had sat constructively with Trump earlier in a quid pro quo negotiation and Trump got 5 times what he is currently asking and the democrats wanted DACA guarantees. They shook hands and Trump reneged because he found out later (his genius brain was not in attendance) that the deal wasn't good enough.
So he comes again and you think the Dems don't have anything they want from Trump?
Think of me dumb as you want, your process has been overly demonstrated to be wobbly and I actually find it a fine compass am on the right track.


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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:32 pm

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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 am
Relly wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:02 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:57 pm
Your claim is false. Not worth repeating. You obviously subscribe to this game show winner-take-all mentality that Trump advertises everywhere. I personally think it's childish but Trump has made it presidential.
So why were they all in favour of border security/wall until Trump took over. If you think this is about anything other than not letting Trump win then you are dumber than I thought. At least try to be honest.
Hahahaha, so you mean like the instance of republicans rejecting the concept of "individual mandate" which they originally created as a conservative interpretation on healthcare. We know their plan was tied to the sole purpose of achieving Mitch McConnell's publicly proposed goal of making Obama a one-term president.
In this case however, the democrats had sat constructively with Trump earlier in a quid pro quo negotiation and Trump got 5 times what he is currently asking and the democrats wanted DACA guarantees. They shook hands and Trump reneged because he found out later (his genius brain was not in attendance) that the deal wasn't good enough.
So he comes again and you think the Dems don't have anything they want from Trump?
Think of me dumb as you want, your process has been overly demonstrated to be wobbly and I actually find it a fine compass am on the right track.
He turned down that deal, then offered amnesty for almost 3 times as many illegals, as opposed to citizenship, for the 25 billion and dems said no. All the want is votes, so to them you can let a all 22 million illegals stay with legal status but that isn't as good as 700 000 guaranteed democrat votes. It's plain as day what the dems want here.

And the republicans weren't stopping Obama for the sake of stopping Obama, they were attempting to prevent an unconstitutional bill that forced American citizens to buy something they didn't want. That was an extremely un-American plan and they were just trying to make sure the constitution wasn't violated, which it eventually was.


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Re: Politics thread

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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:32 pm
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 am
Relly wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:02 pm


So why were they all in favour of border security/wall until Trump took over. If you think this is about anything other than not letting Trump win then you are dumber than I thought. At least try to be honest.
Hahahaha, so you mean like the instance of republicans rejecting the concept of "individual mandate" which they originally created as a conservative interpretation on healthcare. We know their plan was tied to the sole purpose of achieving Mitch McConnell's publicly proposed goal of making Obama a one-term president.
In this case however, the democrats had sat constructively with Trump earlier in a quid pro quo negotiation and Trump got 5 times what he is currently asking and the democrats wanted DACA guarantees. They shook hands and Trump reneged because he found out later (his genius brain was not in attendance) that the deal wasn't good enough.
So he comes again and you think the Dems don't have anything they want from Trump?
Think of me dumb as you want, your process has been overly demonstrated to be wobbly and I actually find it a fine compass am on the right track.
He turned down that deal, then offered amnesty for almost 3 times as many illegals, as opposed to citizenship, for the 25 billion and dems said no. All the want is votes, so to them you can let a all 22 million illegals stay with legal status but that isn't as good as 700 000 guaranteed democrat votes. It's plain as day what the dems want here.

And the republicans weren't stopping Obama for the sake of stopping Obama, they were attempting to prevent an unconstitutional bill that forced American citizens to buy something they didn't want. That was an extremely un-American plan and they were just trying to make sure the constitution wasn't violated, which it eventually was.
I dont know if you get tired of manufacturing facts. The case you speak of was attended by the Supreme Court. It passed. So how was it unconstitutional?


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Re: Politics thread

Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm

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Well, this is big news.

Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation to shut down
It is small news in comparison to what will be dropping in the next few months. A charity organization set up to serve the owners, a consummate portrayal of the man's presidency. but again I hear Trump's middle name is America. Lend s a whole new meaning to "make America great again."
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I feel confident there's even more....

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.


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Could be the beginning of the end hopefully. I still want to see his tax returns though - only POTUS in modern history never to publish them and you have to wonder why


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Could be the beginning of the end hopefully. I still want to see his tax returns though - only POTUS in modern history never to publish them and you have to wonder why
He wrote off his rendezvous with Stormy and friends as a business meeting.


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Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:47 pm

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Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:35 pm
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:28 pm
Could be the beginning of the end hopefully. I still want to see his tax returns though - only POTUS in modern history never to publish them and you have to wonder why
He wrote off his rendezvous with Stormy and friends as a business meeting.
Im thinking further afield than hush money to US pornstars


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Re: Politics thread

Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 pm

RED3bution wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:10 pm
Ole wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:11 pm
Well, this is big news.

Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation to shut down
It is small news in comparison to what will be dropping in the next few months. A charity organization set up to serve the owners, a consummate portrayal of the man's presidency. but again I hear Trump's middle name is America. Lend s a whole new meaning to "make America great again."
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I feel confident there's even more....

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.
This post didn't age well, and it's only been a day! LOL. Oh well, it was enjoyable to watch all the TDS victims get super excited for a day, just to have their hopes crushed again.


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That is the reality of Trumps America. Where his supporters believe that sort of behavior is acceptable.

This is how trump supporters actually treat army vets. They don’t care. They have one agenda. While simultaneously and cluelessly calling out the actions of others trying to better America


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Re: Politics thread

Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:42 am

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Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:10 pm


It is small news in comparison to what will be dropping in the next few months. A charity organization set up to serve the owners, a consummate portrayal of the man's presidency. but again I hear Trump's middle name is America. Lend s a whole new meaning to "make America great again."
I don't want to get ahead of myself but I feel confident there's even more....

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.
This post didn't age well, and it's only been a day! LOL. Oh well, it was enjoyable to watch all the TDS victims get super excited for a day, just to have their hopes crushed again.
Sigh! Well I need to be more careful but like I said, I am confident there's more. By my belief's added to the evidence I am observing, it is inevitable.


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That is the reality of Trumps America. Where his supporters believe that sort of behavior is acceptable.

This is how trump supporters actually treat army vets. They don’t care. They have one agenda. While simultaneously and cluelessly calling out the actions of others trying to better America
It's a group of high school kids. I don't know what they were doing, or why they were doing it, but you really think the actions of a handful of highschool students represents the entirety of Trump supporters. Get a grip.


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Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:14 am

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Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:42 am
Relly wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:00 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I feel confident there's even more....

"The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.
This post didn't age well, and it's only been a day! LOL. Oh well, it was enjoyable to watch all the TDS victims get super excited for a day, just to have their hopes crushed again.
Sigh! Well I need to be more careful but like I said, I am confident there's more. By my belief's added to the evidence I am observing, it is inevitable.
3 years with unlimited budget and a full time team of Hillary backed democrats working for Mueller, the entire democratic party, 99% of the media, a handful of the richest people in the world, and half the republican party are dying for this Russia bullshit to be true and are doing everything they can to make it true. If there was any truth to this is would have been out long ago. And at this point there is literally zero evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to affect the election. There is plenty of proof Hillary did, not sure why you aren't concerned about that.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:16 pm
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:32 pm
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 am


Hahahaha, so you mean like the instance of republicans rejecting the concept of "individual mandate" which they originally created as a conservative interpretation on healthcare. We know their plan was tied to the sole purpose of achieving Mitch McConnell's publicly proposed goal of making Obama a one-term president.
In this case however, the democrats had sat constructively with Trump earlier in a quid pro quo negotiation and Trump got 5 times what he is currently asking and the democrats wanted DACA guarantees. They shook hands and Trump reneged because he found out later (his genius brain was not in attendance) that the deal wasn't good enough.
So he comes again and you think the Dems don't have anything they want from Trump?
Think of me dumb as you want, your process has been overly demonstrated to be wobbly and I actually find it a fine compass am on the right track.
He turned down that deal, then offered amnesty for almost 3 times as many illegals, as opposed to citizenship, for the 25 billion and dems said no. All the want is votes, so to them you can let a all 22 million illegals stay with legal status but that isn't as good as 700 000 guaranteed democrat votes. It's plain as day what the dems want here.

And the republicans weren't stopping Obama for the sake of stopping Obama, they were attempting to prevent an unconstitutional bill that forced American citizens to buy something they didn't want. That was an extremely un-American plan and they were just trying to make sure the constitution wasn't violated, which it eventually was.
I dont know if you get tired of manufacturing facts. The case you speak of was attended by the Supreme Court. It passed. So how was it unconstitutional?
Not sure if you missed it, but the Obamacare was just struck down as unconstitutional by a federal judge. It always was, it only passed the Supreme court because Roberts argued, wrongly, that the individual mandate was a tax, when it was clearly a fine. Forcing people to buy something under the threat of legal action is unconstitutional.
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That is the reality of Trumps America. Where his supporters believe that sort of behavior is acceptable.

This is how trump supporters actually treat army vets. They don’t care. They have one agenda. While simultaneously and cluelessly calling out the actions of others trying to better America
I was a half dozen articles into a list of attacks on Trump supporters when I came across this one which did the work for me,

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/201 ... upporters/

That's 639 incidents of harassment and violence towards Trump supporters, each one with a link to verify it. A lot of things on the list include encouragement of violence from high ranking democrats and prominent members of the media. And the list is 6 months old, how much bigger is it now?


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Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:16 pm
Relly wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:32 pm


He turned down that deal, then offered amnesty for almost 3 times as many illegals, as opposed to citizenship, for the 25 billion and dems said no. All the want is votes, so to them you can let a all 22 million illegals stay with legal status but that isn't as good as 700 000 guaranteed democrat votes. It's plain as day what the dems want here.

And the republicans weren't stopping Obama for the sake of stopping Obama, they were attempting to prevent an unconstitutional bill that forced American citizens to buy something they didn't want. That was an extremely un-American plan and they were just trying to make sure the constitution wasn't violated, which it eventually was.
I dont know if you get tired of manufacturing facts. The case you speak of was attended by the Supreme Court. It passed. So how was it unconstitutional?
Not sure if you missed it, but the Obamacare was just struck down as unconstitutional by a federal judge. It always was, it only passed the Supreme court because Roberts argued, wrongly, that the individual mandate was a tax, when it was clearly a fine. Forcing people to buy something under the threat of legal action is unconstitutional.
We are going back and forth. The legal underpinning for the law, the individual mandate was removed by Trump's tax reform and after that it's easy pickings.

The individual mandate was created to be a kind of insurable interest. It gave every qualified party a stake in the joint market of insurance which they had to protect by buying health insurance or face a penalty tax for kicking the costs to other paying participants.

Just because it follows lack of enrollment does not make it less a tax than say getting fined for buying a foreign vehicle. It is a tax that is dormant when you use your income or resources to get health insurance (paying into the economy) and if you decide to sit it out, you get a bill for non-participation.


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Have fun today Relly

https://twitter.com/lakotalaw/status/10 ... 09412?s=21
Here is the truth about this story, including an unedited video that shows that the native man was the one that approached and got in the face of the high school kids. Wow, the fake news media has had a rough few days.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/201 ... -american/


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It's pretty interesting to watch liberals playing the moral superiority card by spreading fake stories and then harassing, threatening, insulting and doxing children to accomplish it. The media and political left reached a new low this weekend.


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It's pretty interesting to watch liberals playing the moral superiority card by spreading fake stories and then harassing, threatening, insulting and doxing children to accomplish it. The media and political left reached a new low this weekend.
Just you keep on chasing viral videos.


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Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:42 pm
It's pretty interesting to watch liberals playing the moral superiority card by spreading fake stories and then harassing, threatening, insulting and doxing children to accomplish it. The media and political left reached a new low this weekend.
Just you keep on chasing viral videos.
I didn't chase anything, every liberal media personality and jackass in Hollywood made sure this story was everywhere. That is until it turns out they were completely wrong and they were doing nothing more than slandering a minor. And to add insult to injury the moralless hacks on the left haven't even apologized for the most part, whoever gets in their way on this mission to destroy Trump is a necessary collateral damage.


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The point I'm making is that that story has turned at least 2 times. The editing has been misleading.


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Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Relly wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:13 pm
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:09 pm
Relly wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:42 pm
It's pretty interesting to watch liberals playing the moral superiority card by spreading fake stories and then harassing, threatening, insulting and doxing children to accomplish it. The media and political left reached a new low this weekend.
Just you keep on chasing viral videos.
I didn't chase anything, every liberal media personality and jackass in Hollywood made sure this story was everywhere. That is until it turns out they were completely wrong and they were doing nothing more than slandering a minor. And to add insult to injury the moralless hacks on the left haven't even apologized for the most part, whoever gets in their way on this mission to destroy Trump is a necessary collateral damage.
Is that wrong as in Guilliani wrong or wrong as in "i don't believe anything other that what Trump says(today)
Have you not realised that he and Guilliani and Huckerby say something completely different every day ie as when he is caught out which is every day

Muller is running out of ink trying to keep up with Trumps lies

I do like Trumps conservative values thousg

Like the way he cheated on his first wife for his second wife who he then cheated on for a hooker/stripped/adult star who he then cheated on for a Playboy Bunny
And i feel sure that is less than one per cent unless you use Trumps figures at his inauguration

I do like conservatism
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Oh yes those pooooor witttle wacists

Whats the old line, some very very fine parties on both sides

Taunt jeer and mock native vets and you get a nice little today show interview and invite to visit the Donalds racist castle

Where do you think these youth learned it was okay to taunt and mock American vets. Wasn't it the day before Trump was once again tweeting about Pocahontas

Why do you think native Americans felt the need to confront these youths. Why are we at a stage where they had to even confront them chanting and mocking

Why are they at a pro life rally chanting "It's not rape if you enjoy it!"
Why is it that when they are confronted by native americans, they know they can just openly and smugly mock them back and nothing will result


Why do MAGA wearing teens think all this is okay. because it's become okay in society. Its encouraged by the very top of American society

And when youre at a prolife rally chanting build the wall (whats the connection), it is fornicate clear that to these MAGA wearing heroes the wall has nothing to do with border security and everything to do with what it represents


Lets not forget what Covington Catholic teens are known for previously and what they were doing there in the first place.

And what are the consequences, a nice little visit to Donalds temple

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Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:13 pm
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Just you keep on chasing viral videos.
I didn't chase anything, every liberal media personality and jackass in Hollywood made sure this story was everywhere. That is until it turns out they were completely wrong and they were doing nothing more than slandering a minor. And to add insult to injury the moralless hacks on the left haven't even apologized for the most part, whoever gets in their way on this mission to destroy Trump is a necessary collateral damage.
Is that wrong as in Guilliani wrong or wrong as in "i don't believe anything other that what Trump says(today)
Have you not realised that he and Guilliani and Huckerby say something completely different every day ie as when he is caught out which is every day

Muller is running out of ink trying to keep up with Trumps lies

I do like Trumps conservative values thousg

Like the way he cheated on his first wife for his second wife who he then cheated on for a hooker/stripped/adult star who he then cheated on for a Playboy Bunny
And i feel sure that is less than one per cent unless you use Trumps figures at his inauguration

I do like conservatism
:laugh: :laugh:
I'm just going to assume you were drunk when you wrote this, because it doesn't make much sense.

And the one aspect I got, everyone knew who Trump was when they elected him, it doesn't matter, they voted for him anyway. To be honest electing Trump, knowing that stuff was the conservatives saying, look we tried to play nice, we have been taking the moral high ground for years, we offered you the most milquetoast guy ever, in Romney last election, and you slandered him up and down and called him racist and sexist, etc so we are done playing nice and will now resort to someone who operates at the Democrats level. That's one of the reasons they hate him so much, they fear mongering, intimidation tactics that they have been using for years just don't work on him. He says, I know you're full of shit, so I won't even entertain the crap you are saying.

Personally I don't look to politicians as some sort of role model or beacon of morality, I have a family and community that provide those things. But that's the problem of the left, they treat their politics like religion, which is fine when they have their Obama in power, but once you rely on that and a guy you disagree with gets in where does your direction come from?


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