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Re: Politics thread

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Well, this is big news.

Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation to shut down
It is small news in comparison to what will be dropping in the next few months. A charity organization set up to serve the owners, a consummate portrayal of the man's presidency. but again I hear Trump's middle name is America. Lend s a whole new meaning to "make America great again."


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Re: Politics thread

Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:40 pm

Ole wrote:
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Well, this is big news.

Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation to shut down
The Trump Foundation - or as the Trump family think of it Petty Cash


I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Football. Bloody hell.

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Re: Politics thread

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:55 pm

It's all fake news!

(just filling in for Relly)


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Re: Politics thread

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:22 am

Brexit going swimmingly still I see.


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Re: Politics thread

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September 20, 2013:

FOX NEWS: If there is a shutdown, who should get fired?

TRUMP: The President.


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Re: Politics thread

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:50 pm

@Relly

You donated to the wall yet


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Re: Politics thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:02 am

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@Relly

You donated to the wall yet
I did, how about you?


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Re: Politics thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:43 am

Unfortunately still not racist

I’m amazed that propaganda works. Although now I guess we’re one step closer to all those refugees killing the 0 Americans they have killed so far

Better off giving that money to the thousands of hard working government officials who aren’t making any money because the president is an overgrown child throwing a tantrum for not getting what he wants


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Re: Politics thread

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Unfortunately still not racist

I’m amazed that propaganda works. Although now I guess we’re one step closer to all those refugees killing the 0 Americans they have killed so far

Better off giving that money to the thousands of hard working government officials who aren’t making any money because the president is an overgrown child throwing a tantrum for not getting what he wants
Still a sheep though, good for you for sticking to your guns and not letting facts, reason and logic get in the way of dogma.

Those workers will get all their money as soon as the shutdown is over. You know Obama shut the government down to right? It's not like Trump invented this, and in fact it is actually the Dems who really shut it down.

This isn't just about the "refugees", there are hundreds of thousands of people crossing the border a year, adding to the already 22 million illegal immigrants living in the country. There are plenty of crimes committed be these illegals, and any crime committed by someone that should never have been in the country is one too many. Would you like me to post the picture of the police officer on Christmas with his wife and baby, the day before he was murdered by an illegal that had no business being in the country? Personally I find it a little upsetting to look at.

And it's not propaganda, the dems, their mouthpieces in the media and the sheep that listen and regurgitate all the talking points keep saying walls don't work, but they absolutely do. Israel built a wall on their southern border, specifically to combat illegal immigration from Africa. It eliminated 100% of illegal immigration. How could a wall not work? It's just common sense.


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Re: Politics thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 pm

Is there really 22 million illegal immigrants living in the USA?

That's about 1 in 12 people. That can't be true.


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Re: Politics thread

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:13 pm

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Is there really 22 million illegal immigrants living in the USA?

That's about 1 in 12 people. That can't be true.
No one knows exactly, it's hard to prove, but here is an article about a study conducted by two of the top Universities in the US. That many illegals does seem like a bit of an issue right?

https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale- ... ants-in-us


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Re: Politics thread

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Martin wrote:
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Is there really 22 million illegal immigrants living in the USA?

That's about 1 in 12 people. That can't be true.
Don’t let facts, reason and logic get in the way of dogma.


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Re: Politics thread

Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:38 am

Lol, the man who read a propaganda email, watched a national address every single news site had to fact check and then donated money to the cause is calling someone else a sheep 😂😂😂😂


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Re: Politics thread

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Lol, the man who read a propaganda email, watched a national address every single news site had to fact check and then donated money to the cause is calling someone else a sheep 😂😂😂😂
The fact checking was a joke. News organizations were fact checking him, and then correcting their own fact checks because they were wrong, there were ones saying he technically is right, but we just don't like the answer. And at the end of the day the "fact checkers" are just random people working at these extremely bias news organizations, who's fact checking them? Whose to say they are more accurate then a team of people working for the POTUS?

I noticed you didn't factually or logically address anything I actually said. I will take that as an admission that they were sound, logical arguments that you really can't counter.


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Re: Politics thread

Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm

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in fact it is actually the Dems who really shut it down.
This is incredibly spurious logic. The Senate passed a bill unanimously that would have funded the Government until Febuary 8th. Pelosi stated the Democrats in the House would support it, meaning it would have passed both parts of Congress, even with backlash from some Republicans. Trump refused to sign it.


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Re: Politics thread

Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:01 am

Dante wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm
Relly wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:22 pm
in fact it is actually the Dems who really shut it down.
This is incredibly spurious logic. The Senate passed a bill unanimously that would have funded the Government until Febuary 8th. Pelosi stated the Democrats in the House would support it, meaning it would have passed both parts of Congress, even with backlash from some Republicans. Trump refused to sign it.
You go too far. The president himself urged the democrats in full public view [TV] that he was willing to shut government down over the wall and what more, he would take responsibility for it and not blame anybody else.


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Re: Politics thread

Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:43 pm

Dante wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm
Relly wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:22 pm
in fact it is actually the Dems who really shut it down.
This is incredibly spurious logic. The Senate passed a bill unanimously that would have funded the Government until Febuary 8th. Pelosi stated the Democrats in the House would support it, meaning it would have passed both parts of Congress, even with backlash from some Republicans. Trump refused to sign it.
Yes, and that would delay the situation until the dems controlled the house, very convenient. But originally the house passed a bill on Dec 20 that included the 5.7 billion for a wall and it was the dems in the senate who didn't support that bill, killing it, that triggered the shutdown. Facts are facts.


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Re: Politics thread

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:06 am

Relly wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:43 pm
Dante wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 pm
Relly wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:22 pm
in fact it is actually the Dems who really shut it down.
This is incredibly spurious logic. The Senate passed a bill unanimously that would have funded the Government until Febuary 8th. Pelosi stated the Democrats in the House would support it, meaning it would have passed both parts of Congress, even with backlash from some Republicans. Trump refused to sign it.
Yes, and that would delay the situation until the dems controlled the house, very convenient. But originally the house passed a bill on Dec 20 that included the 5.7 billion for a wall and it was the dems in the senate who didn't support that bill, killing it, that triggered the shutdown. Facts are facts.
Hahaha.....What a debate? You're comparing a bipartisan bill to one that is not bipartisan. Very weak.

The problem here is that Trump's art of the deal is running into a steel wall, or is that concrete. A president who continues to reverse himself on deals he sanctioned can never be trusted. He is making a show of this entire process to show his base he will not compromise on the wall after he had initially compromised. Muppet and I mean literal muppet.
He will lose badly and I think at this point he realizes it but has no idea how he will get out of this situation so he digs in further. God bless his instincts!


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Re: Politics thread

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:34 am

No, the House bill with wall funding came after Trump killed the bipartisan bill. That's the fact.

If Trump had not done that, we would not currently be in a Government shutdown.


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Re: Politics thread

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:26 pm

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No, the House bill with wall funding came after Trump killed the bipartisan bill. That's the fact.

If Trump had not done that, we would not currently be in a Government shutdown.
But it was the second one, without the wall funding, that triggered the shutdown.


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Re: Politics thread

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:30 pm

And if Trump accepted the initial bill which both parties had supported, there wouldn't be a shutdown. Trumps intervention caused this.


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Re: Politics thread

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:23 pm

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And if Trump accepted the initial bill which both parties had supported, there wouldn't be a shutdown. Trumps intervention caused this.
He's just trying to keep his biggest campaign promise. It's an interesting concept and one more politicians should follow.

All the dems have to do is give him the 5.7 billion and it's over. That is only 0.0038% of the total budget, it's nothing, this is just politics from the dems.


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Re: Politics thread

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:01 pm

Relly wrote:
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Dante wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:30 pm
And if Trump accepted the initial bill which both parties had supported, there wouldn't be a shutdown. Trumps intervention caused this.
He's just trying to keep his biggest campaign promise. It's an interesting concept and one more politicians should follow.

All the dems have to do is give him the 5.7 billion and it's over. That is only 0.0038% of the total budget, it's nothing, this is just politics from the dems.
Lost on you what a negotiation is. Trump had initially gotten up to 25 billion for his wall only to call off the deal in the last minute. His idea of a negotiation seems to be him getting everything he wants while the other side get the satisfaction of giving him everything he wants.

To your comment on the last line, all Trump has to do is give the Dems what they want and it's over. So if he's not gonna play ball and still expects a game then he will be paying for all the empty seats soon. Too bad, this is the Art of the deal isn't it?


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Re: Politics thread

Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:09 pm

RED3bution wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:01 pm
Relly wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:23 pm
Dante wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:30 pm
And if Trump accepted the initial bill which both parties had supported, there wouldn't be a shutdown. Trumps intervention caused this.
He's just trying to keep his biggest campaign promise. It's an interesting concept and one more politicians should follow.

All the dems have to do is give him the 5.7 billion and it's over. That is only 0.0038% of the total budget, it's nothing, this is just politics from the dems.
Lost on you what a negotiation is. Trump had initially gotten up to 25 billion for his wall only to call off the deal in the last minute. His idea of a negotiation seems to be him getting everything he wants while the other side get the satisfaction of giving him everything he wants.

To your comment on the last line, all Trump has to do is give the Dems what they want and it's over. So if he's not gonna play ball and still expects a game then he will be paying for all the empty seats soon. Too bad, this is the Art of the deal isn't it?
They don't want anything. Democrats don't stand for anything at the moment other than hating Trump. All they want is to prevent him from getting a win, and they are voting against things they have voted for in the past and completely disregarding the people they are supposed to be representing in order to get one over on Trump. They need to grow up and do their jobs.


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Re: Politics thread

Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:57 pm

Your claim is false. Not worth repeating. You obviously subscribe to this game show winner-take-all mentality that Trump advertises everywhere. I personally think it's childish but Trump has made it presidential.


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