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Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:14 pm

Preview to follow after international break. Positives can be taken. There are fine margins in football.

DDG back in goal. Players need get back to.the levels before they were injured.

If we continue to play like that we will win more than we lose.

Preview can follow after international break. Remember half the team is not match fit. It's evident coz we were a.yatd or two.short in everything.

Thus we got caught on the counter. Give DDG what he wants coz it has been proven he is the best in the world



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:19 pm

At least Chelsea were crap and lost points!

All to play for to get in the CL.

It is down to us.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:27 pm

Goku wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:14 pm
Preview to follow after international break. Positives can be taken. There are fine margins in football.

DDG back in goal. Players need get back to.the levels before they were injured.

If we continue to play like that we will win more than we lose.

Preview can follow after international break. Remember half the team is not match fit. It's evident coz we were a.yatd or two.short in everything.

Thus we got caught on the counter. Give DDG what he wants coz it has been proven he is the best in the world
To be fair DDG will not have done any better than Romero who had a great game against Wolves

If we don't win more than we lose then we are a mid table team at best and i would like to think our ambitions would be a lot more than win more than you lose
Players are at the stage of the season where every niggle catches you up
Not just United but all players in all teams
We needed to be back to full form and fitness before the two key games that we lost against Arsenal and Wolves
The Wolves defeat finished off our realistic trophy aspirations for the season and the Arsenal game was a six pointer lost
Spurs are back at the Lane and although that could work either way i suspect with Harry Kane back in full flow they will end up third
That just leaves one place for 3 underachieving teams of which we are one

Watford is a must win game and this s Lukaku type game with Watford having a shit defence
We must and will win and not a coz of any other reason than they are an average/poor team



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:40 am

Preview

Save to say that our injured players or rather players coming back from injury did not get full starts during the international break.

Obviously most of them would have played in training. 7 players in the WC semis so we will. See if this international.break done us good.

It time to roll up our sleeves and get back to business coz come match day we will need to. Win this game.

Yeah we had 2 stumbles in the road so do we revert back to Ole's 1st choice or a mixture. It's what's we do at this club bounce back.

Watford coming to old Trafford and I only see one result if we play on the front foot here. We need to win last 8 games to go to get into that top four.

Player to watch : Paul Pogba, great assist in international break more of the same.

Line up.

DDG

Dalot. Lindelof. Smalling. Shaw

Fred. Mctom my. Pogba

Lingaard. Rashford. Martial


Subs: Romero, Lukaku, Herrera, Matic, Greenwood, Billy.

We need to get off to a flyer and then maybe nurse Matic and Herrera back.

Prediction. : 4-0

Man Utd to bounce back from a dissipointing middle of March.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:31 am

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Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:40 am
Preview

Save to say that our injured players or rather players coming back from injury did not get full starts during the international break.

Obviously most of them would have played in training. 7 players in the WC semis so we will. See if this international.break done us good.

It time to roll up our sleeves and get back to business coz come match day we will need to. Win this game.

Yeah we had 2 stumbles in the road so do we revert back to Ole's 1st choice or a mixture. It's what's we do at this club bounce back.

Watford coming to old Trafford and I only see one result if we play on the front foot here. We need to win last 8 games to go to get into that top four.

Player to watch : Paul Pogba, great assist in international break more of the same.

Line up.

DDG

Dalot. Lindelof. Smalling. Shaw

Fred. Mctom my. Pogba

Lingaard. Rashford. Martial


Subs: Romero, Lukaku, Herrera, Matic, Greenwood, Billy.

We need to get off to a flyer and then maybe nurse Matic and Herrera back.

Prediction. : 4-0

Man Utd to bounce back from a dissipointing middle of March.
It was neither a stumble nor was it a dissipointing middle of March
It was a bloody disaster.
Not only for the results but also for two pathetic performances
As a result we are now out of the FA cup and out of the top 4

The bounce back factor that you suggest we do at this club is a thing of the distant past
Liverpool stumbled against Everton but bounced back after
That's what bounce back means at the top level.You win 8 in a row but then draw one you should win and then win the next 6
We normally stumble from game to game.
That has been the norm for the past 3 or 4 seasons
It changed under Ole for the first 10 or so games but we now appear to have normal service

So we move into a critical month of April
We play Barca twice plus City and Chelsea
And that's not counting tricky looking away games at Wolves and Everton

Anybody other than Goku genuinely not fear the outcome of those games
I see a mix of results ahead and simply put that won't be good enough to get a top 4



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:23 am

Chelsea are crap, we should beat them.


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:33 am

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Chelsea are crap, we should beat them.
Your opinion is as valid as anybody else's but to say "Chelsea are crap and we should beat them" is making an incorrect assumption that we are a good team.We are not.We are a team that should finish 4th,5th or 6th.That's the end of it

City and Liverpool could make that statement whether it is Chelsea at home or away but it is a bridge too far for me to make that statement



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:04 pm

Line up: deGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Shaw.Herrera, Matic, Pogba, Mata, Rashford, Martial

Subs: Romero, Lingard, Rojo, Dalot, Fred, Pereira, Lukaku


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:28 pm

A much better result than the performance warranted but you don't get points for style and the 3 points are critical at this stage of the season.


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:52 pm

ArizonaRed wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:28 pm
A much better result than the performance warranted but you don't get points for style and the 3 points are critical at this stage of the season.

That midfield has struggled for a few games now. Matic's lack of pace is beginning to show, and you wonder where Pogba's head is at this minute.


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:01 pm

Got the 3 points, but we're going to need a minor miracle to finish in the top4..

And for next season we need much better players.. Especially in midfield.

Now that we have the right manager, let's hope the hierarchy at the club would support him financially..


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:03 pm

If one of the facets if a really good team is the ability to win ugly, then today we got a very big leg up because that game was ugly enough for three or four games.


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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:19 am

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Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:01 pm
Got the 3 points, but we're going to need a minor miracle to finish in the top4..

And for next season we need much better players.. Especially in midfield.

Now that we have the right manager, let's hope the hierarchy at the club would support him financially..
The game and the performance were desperate
Watford deserves at least a draw and you could make a case they were the better team
Unfortunately this is now our standard and has been for the last 4 or 5 years

You can blame Matic or Pogba's attitude.
Does he want to leave and if so why might that be?.Is he ambitious or greedy or both
I don't notice too many trying to jump ship at Liverpool or City

So will the board back Ole with a director of football that Ole wants and understands the game or will Matt Judge continue to pull the strings and get third choice players with first choice commercialism in mind
Wait and see(yet again)

They are also doing that in Tampa by the way but they have now learned and understand Glazernomics



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:27 am

We are now a good counter attacking side, but the midfield often can't control games.

Criticism of Pogba can be over the top, as he is just back from running the games for France.
Ole is considering playing him a bit deeper as he does for France.
I think we need back up and David Brooks is the one I can see in that role to avoid being a one man band.

I prefer McTomminay in the midfileld to the old stagers Matic and Herrera on occasion.
I think age is catching up with them, it varies from player to player, and they simply can't always turn it on.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:53 am

Our midfield is weak looked like paper



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:04 pm

Matic and Herrera is were off the pace I hope the play Fred in the next match.

Looks like we were just in training



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:05 pm

Our midifiled regulars are old, and/or slow.

We have all seen Matic, Herrera and Mata play very well, but they can't do it game after game, and of course behind them Young is ageing like the rest of us.

I would like to see Dalot given more chances there, and Perriera and McTomminay, together perhaps with some of our youth.

Of course a Virgil van Djik figure would be great to have, but the ones we have got are playing a lot better than they were, and to me our most glaring weakness is in the midfield to keep control of games better.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:21 pm

You have the midfield pretty well summed up
The issue with this club is that run every player into the ground.
I know i keep going on about money but every newspaper this morning is going on about the money and how Ole needs backing with a director of football and a plan
They all confirm what we are watching which is that this team is not close but does it have the ambition to try to bridge the gap or is it content to do an Arsenal and Spurs ie
Top 4 and hopefully last 8 in the champions league without being a serious threat for anything
If so then bye bye World cup winner Pogba and worlds number goalkeeper in DDG and hello Courtois and Bale plus another couple of sponsors
Bring back Fosu Mensah who is due back in a few weeks anyway (Did anybody see the way he got taken apart against City yesterday!!) and look forward to the explosive McTominay



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:55 pm

Ray:

What I find unnecessary and uninformative about your posts are the joint issues that you seem to imagine that you are the only one who perceives what level we are operating at and the sense of entitlement you seem to feel about operating at the very top, complete with throwing your toys out of the pram when we have setbacks.

I know, the other posters here know, Ole knows, the board knows and the Glaziers know that the league does not lie, and that we are in no way comparable with Manchester City, Liverpool, Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Where we are is a contender for the top four, level pegging with Arsenal, Spurs, and Chelsea to get in.

That is a massive improvement, as we were something like 5th to 8th before..

We are also playing far more exciting football.

Despite your endless diatribes about the Glaziers, hundreds on millions have been put into attempting to strengthen the team since SAF left, although with several changes of manager we have not profited by that as much as would have been hoped.

There is no reason to doubt that substantial sums will continue to be made available to strengthen, or that Ole's input will be substantial on who is to be chosen.

Players want to come and work for Ole.

Financial fair play regulations mean that Manchester City and Chelsea may find their transfer activity restricted, so we are battling with Spurs and Liverpool but our means are likely to be more than those.

Most teams would love to be in our position.

We have no entitlement, nor can any reasonable person expect a club which is not some propaganda exercise by a small nation state to simply throw a billion at buying the big name players.

So for goodness sake enjoy the ride, and don't post with a sense of entitlement worthy of a Newcastle supporter.

We have a manager able to enthuse, one the board backed when they could have chickened and waited until the end of season.
We are playing usually far more watchable football, are bringing youth through, and will have substantial funds available to strengthen in the summer, with players queuing up to sign for Ole.

So do put out some positive energy, and lets enjoy our club.

You are not the only one who sees our weaknesses.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:06 pm

I'd just add that now we have a manager who calls it like it is, so there is no need to be the one deflating a bubble of over-rating what we do.

In the MPC Ole said that the most we deserved was a draw, and that we did not show the energy and so on but acted as though it was a training session.

That is utterly different to LVG and Jose making the most absurd claims after games, or the negativity made flesh of Moyes.

We know where we are, and more importantly the manager does, and will make sure the players do too.

And they do.

Luke Shaw's post match interview was similarly realistic.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:28 pm

DaveMart wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:55 pm
Ray:

What I find unnecessary and uninformative about your posts are the joint issues that you seem to imagine that you are the only one who perceives what level we are operating at and the sense of entitlement you seem to feel about operating at the very top, complete with throwing your toys out of the pram when we have setbacks.

I know, the other posters here know, Ole knows, the board knows and the Glaziers know that the league does not lie, and that we are in no way comparable with Manchester City, Liverpool, Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Where we are is a contender for the top four, level pegging with Arsenal, Spurs, and Chelsea to get in.

That is a massive improvement, as we were something like 5th to 8th before..

We are also playing far more exciting football.

Despite your endless diatribes about the Glaziers, hundreds on millions have been put into attempting to strengthen the team since SAF left, although with several changes of manager we have not profited by that as much as would have been hoped.

There is no reason to doubt that substantial sums will continue to be made available to strengthen, or that Ole's input will be substantial on who is to be chosen.

Players want to come and work for Ole.

Financial fair play regulations mean that Manchester City and Chelsea may find their transfer activity restricted, so we are battling with Spurs and Liverpool but our means are likely to be more than those.

Most teams would love to be in our position.

We have no entitlement, nor can any reasonable person expect a club which is not some propaganda exercise by a small nation state to simply throw a billion at buying the big name players.

So for goodness sake enjoy the ride, and don't post with a sense of entitlement worthy of a Newcastle supporter.

We have a manager able to enthuse, one the board backed when they could have chickened and waited until the end of season.
We are playing usually far more watchable football, are bringing youth through, and will have substantial funds available to strengthen in the summer, with players queuing up to sign for Ole.

So do put out some positive energy, and lets enjoy our club.

You are not the only one who sees our weaknesses.
I was going to pick the relevant points out for hopefully a genuine discussion

The constant "diatribe" as you put it comes about because of the constant decline on the values and perormances of this club since just before SAF left
To imply that somehow Newcastle fans should not expect a fair crack of the whip is not reasonable imo
Should Newcastle be expected to be at the top of the league.
Of course not, but they should they get a fair investment in the team related to the income
It is not jusy about money "thrown" at the team
You have to "throw" money at the team as they are your stock
If you didn't invest in the team you would have no players and would get relegated ala Cardiff,Huddersfield.
They have no money and expect little and little is what they get
Newcastle have a lot more than those two and get nothing spent on them
We have a huge amount of money but still go to great lenghs to buy the most commercial,as opposed to the best and most required team players
That's why we have 2 shit centre halves along with 2 shit back up centre halves.That is why we don't have Van Dijk
We run players into the ground(Mata,Valencia,Herrrera,Young)
We are not in for the Mbapp's but are in for the Falcao's and Scweinsteiger and Zlatan.
That is not building.That is throwing money at a short term product for a short term profit.It has sod all to do with football

You see(well you admit you see) the shortcomings of this team/club
You say i do.Well you are correct
You say the other forum members do(i am not convinced all do)
You say Ole does.I agree but he appears to be towing the party line as Moyes,LVG and Jose did to start with until they were all let down by our director of football.When they bleated and/or acted accordingly they got the bullet
You say the Glazers know it.Now that does make me laugh.They are the happiest sports owners in the world
Do you think they see the shortcomings in the Tampa Bay Buccs and if they do why haven't they done anything positive about it

If you are relying on a transfer embargo on City to catch them up you are in reamland.
They have enough players to last them the next 5 seasons without a transfer to stay 6 to 8 games ahead of us

I predict
We need realistically a right back to replace Young,At least one top centre half
If Herrara and Mata go we need two replacements for them.We need a midfield driving force
I would let Sanchez and Lukaku go,for obvious reasons BUT replace them
We need a right winger
AND we need depth in squad if we are to challenge
We need a director of football

Trust me i hate moaning
I would much prefer to be cheering
I would be happy to write off this year with the Jose factor and look forward to a great new season for next season but the reality is i could have said that for the last 8 seasons
I am not convinced that this club or Ole is capable of holding on to our two key assets in DDG and Pogba and that should be a no brainer
I don't want to be relying on non coming improvement in the ability of Jones,Smalling or Bailly or for giving a chance to 4 or 5 kids with great potential
If you choose to do that then that is your choice

Until then i am all for the fans of Newcastle(Mike Ashley),Blackpool(Oyston),,Liverpool(Gillette and Hicks) marching on the streets



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:02 pm

Ray:

Your argument boils down to an assumption that the club should not be expected to be run as a commercial enterprise and should have endless money/perfect wisdom in their purchases.

Well, we are where we are, and that is how clubs are these days.

Your notion is that we are perfectly entitled to have more money to spend than almost any other club, but that 'supporters' should unlimitedly whinge if execution is less than perfect, or we are not at the very top of the elite in the Prem and Europe.

We are no more entitled than any other club, just luckier than almost any of them with more money to spend which the Glaziers consistently reinvest.

Being aware of flaws is not the same as unrelentingly knocking and abusing the club's owners, management, and players whenever they are less than Godlike in their performance.

In what sense are you a supporter?

You don't support anything about the club, just your fantasy where all is perfect.

Liverpool supporters have less knocking copy to offer than you have.

Supporters support.

You don't.



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:43 pm

DaveMart wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:02 pm
Ray:

Your argument boils down to an assumption that the club should not be expected to be run as a commercial enterprise and should have endless money/perfect wisdom in their purchases.

Well, we are where we are, and that is how clubs are these days.

Your notion is that we are perfectly entitled to have more money to spend than almost any other club, but that 'supporters' should unlimitedly whinge if execution is less than perfect, or we are not at the very top of the elite in the Prem and Europe.

We are no more entitled than any other club, just luckier than almost any of them with more money to spend which the Glaziers consistently reinvest.

Being aware of flaws is not the same as unrelentingly knocking and abusing the club's owners, management, and players whenever they are less than Godlike in their performance.

In what sense are you a supporter?

You don't support anything about the club, just your fantasy where all is perfect.

Liverpool supporters have less knocking copy to offer than you have.

Supporters support.

You don't.
It is not my argument
It is the argument of every neutral observes that understands football and every long time United fan that is fed up of many things
These include the smoke and mirrors bullshit that the club invests heavily in top players.
It does not.
It invests in commercial gambles only dressed up as two arms and two legs with commercial promise
This lot would rather have Beckenbaur,Eusabio and Best than Harry Kane even though they would have to do some digging down at the cemetary

I am a supporter in the sense that i want to see the club permanently analysing and attempting to how it can improve the team,the quality,the backroom,the academy.
I don't begrudge any money that is left as profit but the team must come first
On what grounds do you onsider yourself a supporter may i ask

I think this article written today sums up all the old and loyal United fans
I suppose you will disagree with most or all of it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... money.html



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Re: Pre/Post Match Discussion: Premier League vs Watford (h)

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:21 pm

Ray

No doubt you fell in love with the club at one time, but you are now like someone in a failed marriage, who may 'love their wife/husband' but never have a good word to say to them or about them as they actually are.

ALL you do is bitch on about the owners, whoever is the current manager, and of course all the players.

You never offer a word of actual support to any real person, just your fantasy Manchester United where all is perfect and according to your dictats.

Your bitterness and bile is NOT support of any kind.

Were it in any way rational, moderate and directed instead of being all encompassing it would be different.
We all moan a bit sometimes.
For some reason you think that everything being wrong in your opinion all the time and banging endlessly on about it makes you a supporter.

Going along to matches is just somewhere in your head a licence to whine.

Go and 'support' Liverpool.



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