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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:25 pm

According to the Daily star, he is injured for 3 weeks. :shock:
We can't buy a break this season.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:32 pm

BBC reporting it also.

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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:32 pm

Redlyn wrote:According to the Daily star, he is injured for 3 weeks. :shock:
We can't buy a break this season.
I guess this will put an end to the speculation of who will start if Evans and Jones are healthy.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:35 pm

ArizonaRed wrote:
Redlyn wrote:According to the Daily star, he is injured for 3 weeks. :shock:
We can't buy a break this season.
I guess this will put an end to the speculation of who will start if Evans and Jones are healthy.
You have very little faith in our centre backs.
Three weeks is plenty for all of them to get injured again, at least once.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:38 pm

DaveMart wrote:
ArizonaRed wrote:
Redlyn wrote:According to the Daily star, he is injured for 3 weeks. :shock:
We can't buy a break this season.
I guess this will put an end to the speculation of who will start if Evans and Jones are healthy.
You have very little faith in our centre backs.
Three weeks is plenty for all of them to get injured again, at least once.
The real worry is that most of them will be staying at Carrington so the chances of injury just took an exponential leap.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:36 pm

FFS


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:11 am

Out for 3 weeks? McNair or Shaw?



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:27 am

McNair.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:54 am

For flip sake what they heck are we doing to our defenders in training?

Give them some Weetabix for crying out loud


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:26 am

Redlyn wrote: We can't buy a break this season.
Unless its muscle or tissue break..



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:11 pm

imo it's because of DDG heroics McNAir is getting a little more praise than he deserve. we could have easilly lost to Everton and then our defence and McNair would be under fire again.
despite all this i like him and he should be picked ahead of Smalling, Evans and Blackett.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:36 pm

I don't think any of the saves DDG had to produce were a result of something McNair did or didn't do.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:47 pm

i believe people would judge him differently if we lost that game because he would be a part of defence that fell apart. it did fell apart but people don't see it that way because we won the game (thanks to DDG alone).



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Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:48 pm

Matt wrote:I don't think any of the saves DDG had to produce were a result of something McNair did or didn't do.
Exactly.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:28 pm

joze ruis wrote:i believe people would judge him differently if we lost that game because he would be a part of defence that fell apart. it did fell apart but people don't see it that way because we won the game (thanks to DDG alone).
It's very harsh to suggest that the defence fell apart. Everton always get chances against whoever they play.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:41 pm

Especially after the subs went in there where a numberr of time when Everton ripped us open with just a couple of passes.


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Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:17 pm

ArizonaRed wrote:Especially after the subs went in there where a numberr of time when Everton ripped us open with just a couple of passes.
True, but I did not attribute that especially to McNair.
I thought our whole team lost the plot.
I don't expect a 19 year old in his second senior game to single handedly, or I should say with DDG, turn that round.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:16 am

joze ruis wrote:i believe people would judge him differently if we lost that game because he would be a part of defence that fell apart. it did fell apart but people don't see it that way because we won the game (thanks to DDG alone).
McNair had Lukaku in his pocket all day. The whole team fell apart in the last 20, which is 3 games in a row now, and we should have had a really comfortable 3/4 goal buffer to begin with but for missing some easy chances


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:59 am

DaveMart wrote:
ArizonaRed wrote:Especially after the subs went in there where a numberr of time when Everton ripped us open with just a couple of passes.
True, but I did not attribute that especially to McNair.
I thought our whole team lost the plot.
I don't expect a 19 year old in his second senior game to single handedly, or I should say with DDG, turn that round.
I was not laying the blame at McNair's door, I thought he had a great game.

Once Fellaini came on our midfield structure and discipline just went to pieces, Valencia had continually made hisself available as a relief for Blind or the back four, he was able to carry the ball through the middle of the pitch. It appeared to me that Fellaini either didn't know his role or was incapable of executing it.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:06 am

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McNair had Lukaku in his pocket all day. T
He did but Lukaku had a poor game.
He only once spun off his man, and when he did left McNair for dead.
Everton played like a team deserving their current 17th place.
That's the magic of Martinez.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:35 am

DaveMart wrote:
Sandies wrote:
McNair had Lukaku in his pocket all day. T
He did but Lukaku had a poor game.
He only once spun off his man, and when he did left McNair for dead.
Everton played like a team deserving their current 17th place.
That's the magic of Martinez.
That could be down to McNair not allowing him to turn him surely? If RVP doesn't get to the ball once down to his marking centre half taking control of every ball, it doesn't mean the defender didn't play well cos RVP didn't have a good game. Lukaku had as good a game as he was allowed to have


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:05 am

Short Back and Sides wrote:
DaveMart wrote:
Sandies wrote:
McNair had Lukaku in his pocket all day. T
He did but Lukaku had a poor game.
He only once spun off his man, and when he did left McNair for dead.
Everton played like a team deserving their current 17th place.
That's the magic of Martinez.
That could be down to McNair not allowing him to turn him surely? If RVP doesn't get to the ball once down to his marking centre half taking control of every ball, it doesn't mean the defender didn't play well cos RVP didn't have a good game. Lukaku had as good a game as he was allowed to have
I know what you are saying, and I have consistently said that McNair played very well.

However I also thought that Everton allowed our team, and not just Paddy, all the opportunity in the world to play, and even then we could not keep it up in the last 20 minutes.

They did not close Blind down at all, and did not provide Lukaku with service.
He was also much less dynamic than I have often seen him, and was not even trying to get in behind for most of the game, certainly in the first half.

So I am cautious in rating our team's performance, not just Paddy's.

That is two good games he has had though, and he has done extraordinarily well.

That was not Lukaku at his best though, far from it.



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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:39 pm

I'm not sure a striker and the defender marking him can both appear to have a good game or be at their best. The very definition of a defender having a good game implies that he nullified the threat of the individual he was marking, hence, he (the striker) would appear to be having a poor game.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Agreed.


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Re: Patrick 'Paddy' McNair

Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:18 pm

Glorio wrote:I'm not sure a striker and the defender marking him can both appear to have a good game or be at their best. The very definition of a defender having a good game implies that he nullified the threat of the individual he was marking, hence, he (the striker) would appear to be having a poor game.
But could the reverse also not apply

If a striker is having a bad day could that not give the impression that this must be because the defender is having a good game.
I think the two might but not necessarily be connected



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